Bare Facts
Copyright 2000 Lake Edun Foundation, Inc.
Official Publication of the Lake Edun Foundation, Inc.
August 1, 2001

Box 1982; Topeka, KS 66601 Voice Mail: 785-478-BARN e-mail: benude@lakeedun.com Website: www.lakeedun.com

Return to Edun Video Complete

Finally, after what seemed like unending delays, we have completed our Return to Edun video. Thanks to Brett, one of our newest members, who undertook to complete the project. It is well done and informative. Carefully edited, it conveys an accurate picture of Lake Edun and the Lake Edun Foundation. In addition, it contains great information we can all use to better explain Naturism to others.

Through pictures of our special place, interviews and narrative, the viewer learns more about Naturism and the very positive impact living a clothing-free life has on those who have discovered it.

Those who have had a tape on order may pick up their copy at Return to Edun/9. If you have not ordered a tape, you may purchase one for $35 which includes shipping and handling. Tapes will be mailed to all who have not received their copy shortly after Return to Edun/9.

Fish Fry And Luau & Tie Dye

Labor Day Weekend will be an active time for Eduners. We have a Fish Fry planned for Saturday. Bring (or catch) a fish to fry and bring a side dish to share.

Sunday, we will have our traditional Luau hosted by Bill and Dizzie. This a great time with colorful decorations. And, of course, it includes one of our famous Pot Lucks. The cost to tie dye is $2 per article.

So, plan to join us Labor Day weekend. It is a great way to head this season toward a conclusion. Remember, if you do not bring food to the pot lucks, plan on donating $5 to our legal defense fund.

Host An Event = Earn Member Discount

by Dee Merrifield

The Board decided at our July meeting to offer the educational/outreach discount to any member who will host an event. This could be at the lake during the summer or at someone's home during the colder months. To qualify, here's what you must do:

It's not difficult and, since it helps to improve our membership, it qualifies you for the Educational Discount.

Second Annual Kansas Invitational

All area clubs have been invited to the second annual Kansas Invitational. Activities will begin at 10 am Saturday, Aug 18 with a discussion of problems of mutual concern and opportunities we may be able to share.

The afternoon is set aside for challenge volleyball matches between the clubs and other activities that will help us get to know one another. After sunset we will have a great game of Capture the Flag.

Come prepared to share your thoughts on the state of Naturism in the State of Kansas and think of ways we can improve it for everyone.

Volunteers Make It Happen

A special thanks goes out to retired John who has done a large part of the mowing work at our special place for the past two months. Perhaps You've seen him mowing the parking lot or some of the clearings we take for granted. If not, it is because he tries to mow when others are not around. He does this even though he is not a working member. When you see John next, please shake his hand and thank him both for his extra contribution and for being named LEF Volunteer of the Month for July.

Although it is late, we also should recognize another member for his contributions when he helped install the pipes under the North trail. The Master Shoveler award (and also LEF Volunteer of the Month for June goes to Barry who continues to contribute far beyond the minimum requirements of a working membership by cutting and gathering wood for the fire pits and keeping them clean. Barry is always willing to help out whenever there is a need.

Volunteers at Lake Edun are critical to making our special place really special. We will be recognizing other volunteers in future issues of Bare Facts.

DON'T FORGET

August 3-5; Return to Edun/9

Aug 11; Sat; 10-12; Board of Directors meeting

Aug 11; Sat; Dusk; Friendship Fire

Aug 18; Sat; Kansas Invitational

Aug 18; Sat; Dusk; Friendship Fire

Aug 25; Sat; Noon; Member Open Forum

Aug 25; Sat; Dusk; Friendship Fire

Sept 1; Sat; Fish Fry and Pot Luck Dinner

Sept 2; Sun; Luau Party & Tie Dye

Sept 8; Sat; 10-12; Board of Directors meeting

Sept 8; Sat; Dusk; Friendship Fire

Sept 15; Sat; Chili Cook-off

Sept 15; Sat; Dusk; Friendship Fire

Sept 22; Sat; Dusk; Friendship Fire

Save Your Aluminum. Bring it to the Lake!

A Few Lines From The Prez:

by Eldon Rice

lakeedun@mail.com

We have scheduled a board meeting for Aug. 11th to be held at the barn at 10:00 Saturday morning. It is my hope that we may move this meeting to the meadow area. I would like to take this opportunity to invite all members of the foundation to come and see what it is that the board does. We could also make it an open forum, to answer questions, after the meeting. Allan has done a great job with these open discussions. Our board meetings are open to all members of Lake Edun. We are here for you. Please come to see what we do for the good of the foundation.

Thanks, Eldon

LEF Implements E-Mail Reminders

In the past month, we have implemented an email system permitting us to keep in contact with members and friends via the internet. By the time you read this, you should have received at least one email from us notifying you that the service is available. If you have not heard from us, we do not have your current email address. Contact us at benude@lakeedun.com to let us know your email address.

We anticipate using this service to bring our members reminders of upcoming events and last-minute changes to the schedule. If any members have items they want to share with other Eduners, send it to us and we will pass it on. Hopefully, all eduners will find this a valuable service.

Open House - Great Success!

Our second Open House of the year, on July 14 (Bastille Day) was every bit as successful as our June Open House. About 20 people visited our special place for their first time and several were so impressed, they joined that day. We hope several others will be making a commitment to Naturism in the near future.

As is true at all our Open Houses, everyone waits patiently for the 3 o'clock hour. Even visitors were pleased when Eldon rang the bell signaling the end of the clothing-required period. As soon as they could, there was a synchronized splash in the lake.

Thanks to all our visitors who tried Naturism for the first time; thanks to our wonderful members for spreading the word and inviting their friends and associates.

From The Mail Bag

Dear Lake Edun;

Thank you for a great time at your open house last weekend, it could not have been more enjoyable. Everyone was very friendly and really made my wife and my first experience very pleasurable. Hope to come back again soon. - Don

Dear Lake Edun:

I am from Kansas originally, but I live in Tennessee now. I get back to visit now and then. Usually I head down to Florida for a naturist vacation at Cypress Cove.

Keep up the good work. I know a lot of people appreciate your efforts on their behalf. - Naturally, Steve

Reflections Following Return To Edun/8

Anonymous

First, two confessions: 1) I'm a pastor; 2) I visited a portion of Return to Edun earlier this month [July, 2000].

I visited the event for two reasons. First, in private, I'm really more comfortable without clothes, and have always thought there was something wrong with me because of it (though I couldn't pinpoint why, other than U.S. Christian tradition). Second, when my wife pointed out as a gag, more or less, the headline about the neighbors and the DA trying to shut down your event, it provoked a conversation about why exactly what you were doing was considered to be "of the devil." We couldn't find an answer to this in the Bible, taken by itself. Ultimately, we concluded that the church here generally condemns nudity so strongly because of two assumptions that are added to scripture: 1) Since fornication is condemned by scripture and sexual lust leads to it, and persons of loose morals use (culturally defined! - the "dress of a harlot" today is not what it was in biblical times) provocative dress to arouse lust in others, "of course" one would only wear less clothes than I do for the purpose of arousing lust; 2) What matters is not the standards of those around me but "community standards."

So, I visited your event to see if I would be comfortable nude around others similarly undressed (I was) and to see if it aroused lust. In fact, it aroused curiosity for a little while, but that wore off. It did not arouse lust. I met and conversed with two nice couples there, also. My conclusion is that I have no reason to condemn nudism or to condemn myself in the matter. (Then again, my general approach to preaching is positive rather than negative, as you can verify for yourself by looking at my website ... .)

Because some of those under my care could be gravely offended or injured in their faith if my visit were to become public at this time, I would ask that you not publish this letter, at least not with full information on my identity However, I do hold out the welcome mat - nudists are welcome at my church and I will not send any guilt trips or negative preaching their way.

Random Thoughts & Reflections

We have a Foundation member in the Parkville/Riverside area who needs rides to our special place for day visits. He is willing to share expenses if you are willing to help him with rides. Call Pat at 785-478-2276 if you can help.

Dave Bitters told us about The Grand Nude Show 2001. It is a juried art show that may be of interest. It is on the web at: http://rebeccawilkinsonstudio.com/index.htm.

Items We Need

Fun Things To Do In Topeka

Summer is upon us. Time for camping at Lake Edun and Enjoying many activities in Topeka. Here are some things going on in August. Come to town, have a little fun, then come on out to the lake to relax or camp overnight.

Aug 1-11 "Tommy" at Topeka Civic Theatre. 357-5213

Aug 4 Ice Cream Safari at the Zoo. 272-7595

Aug 11 NASCAR O'Reilly Auto Parts All-Star Late Model Series/NASCAR Weekly Racing Series @ Heartland Park Topeka. 1-800-437-2237

Aug 25 Great Topeka Duck Race at Lake Shawnee. Presented by Sertoma Clubs of Topeka. Contact Dan or Julie Hejtmanek: 233-8257

Aug 24-26 Super Chevy Show @ Heartland Park Topeka. 1-800-437-2237







Final Open Forum

by Born Nude

Eduners have had two prior open forums to air concerns and make suggestions on ways to improve our special place. Once again, for the last time this summer, at Noon Saturday, Aug 25, we'll have our final open forum for our entire membership.

Members have made great suggestions that have led to significant changes in some of our policies. Thanks to all who have spoken up in the past. If you wish to be heard, don't miss this final forum.

The Naturalist Naturist

By Biology Bill

A regular topic found in the pages of this newsletter is the legal status of naturism, whether here in Kansas or elsewhere. As I was thinking about what I might write about for this column this month, I remembered an interesting conversation I read on the internet recently about how nudity is defined in legal statutes that seek to limit it. In fact, nudity is sometimes defined very loosely by anti-nudity activists, and sometimes it is defined in very specific anatomical terms for legal purposes. One common feature of these definitions, as you will see, is that they often don't make any biological or scientific (or even common) sense.

One thing that is quickly apparent is that anti-nudity activists don't really know (or at least think about) which body part is which. Nudity is often defined as exposure of the genitals, with breasts thrown in for good measure. There are several things wrong with this definition. First, for me nudity is having no clothes on; wearing a full set of clothes but having your fly open definitely should not count. [This is regularly considered "indecent exposure."] Second, breasts are not genitals, and never have been. They are included in that category because many people think of breasts as sex organs. Of course, breasts are really baby-provisioning devices that are sometimes co-opted for the purpose of physical pleasure, as are earlobes, lips, and various other body parts. And not lastly, as many of you are probably thinking to yourself about now, this definition seems only to apply to women. Of course, men have breasts too, only they are generally shaped differently and do not produce milk (though men can sometimes have fleshy breasts, and women may not). However, definitions of (female) breasts used to restrict their display seem to concentrate not on the size and shape differences between the sexes, but on the parts that both men and women always have in common: nipples and areolae. Why nipples and areolae are okay for men but not for women, but the fleshy parts of female breasts are sometimes okay (hence the existence of "pasties") does not make much logical sense to me.

Another strategy used to define and restrict nudity is to refer to pubic hair. First, let's look at where pubic hair comes from biologically. Basically, pubic hair refers to hair growth resulting from the influence of hormonal changes during the episode of life which we call puberty. Both in males and females, there is the increased development of hairs on almost all of the body (which were essentially bare skin before puberty) including: the backs of the hands; the tops of the toes; the face; underarms; on the skin surface over the pubic bone and this often merges with hairs on the inner thighs and abdomen; on the ears; within the nostrils; and even where hairs were slight, but present, before puberty hair tends to coarsen and become denser including hairs on the arms and legs; in males, in particular, but also in females hairs may be prompted to develop at puberty on the abdomen; chest; and back.

In fact, at puberty, excluding hair on the top of the head, hair growth is prompted on almost every part of the human body with a few exceptions: the eye lids; lips; palms of the hands; soles of the feet; the actual nipples of the breast (though hairs will grow immediately around the nipples); and on the genitals. Thus, taking into account that the effects are seen in both sexes and that the extent is across virtually the whole surface of the skin the question must then be asked - just what, in the lawmaker's mind, is the "pubic hair region"? In the broadest sense, coverings may be required over almost the whole of the body if all puberty induced hair is within the "pubic hair region."

A good example of the logical problems related to this kind of confusion is given by a discussion-list acquaintance. In the early 1990's, St. John's County (FL) introduced an anti-nudity ordinance. The original ordinance banned public exposure of "sex organs." In challenging this ordinance, he pointed out that the female sex organs were not visible -- they were inside the body. He also pointed that a flaccid penis was hardly a sex organ, but merely a urine delivery system, and further stated that the male sex organs are also inside the body. The county attorney then changed the wording to pubic area, which I have already suggested is a nebulous concept.

Finally, after this discussion of anatomy I'd like to point out that there is a lot of time, brainpower, ink, money and other resources used to define nudity so as to restrict it. We have talked about defining the genitals and the "genital area" and the female breast - have you ever thought about how you might define the buttocks so as to outlaw
g-strings? Take the following definition used in a statute:

"The area at the rear of the human body (sometimes referred to as the gluteus maximus) which lies between two imaginary straight lines running parallel to the ground when a person is standing, the first or top such line being a half-inch below the top of the vertical cleavage of the nates (i.e., the prominence formed by the muscles running from the back of the hip to the back of the leg) and the second or bottom such line being a half-inch above the lowest point of the curvature of the fleshy protuberance (sometimes referred to as the gluteal fold)"

That, friends, is only one quarter of the definition. I'll show you the rest sometime if you're interested. Also, that was not a medical definition - that would refer to specific muscles and organs, rather than to arbitrary lines drawn on a person's skin. However, my main reaction to this definition is "Why bother?" What does it really matter if we can see the "prominence formed by the muscles running from the back of the hip to the back of the leg"? Who could possibly be legitimately injured by that? Is there a logical reason that we should conceal any part of our body, other than to avoid personal injury? To me, it seems we have more important things to worry about.

Some of the topfree cases attempt to make the similarity between male and female breasts an issue. It was argued that male's have breasts, even some male breasts are larger than female breasts and both have nipples. The courts still held there is a societal PERCEPTION of difference.

So to argue the point - what's to be lost in doing so? Here are two examples:

(Q 1) A male decides to become transsexual - takes female hormones but also has breast augmentation surgery - now he has real breasts with a female appearance and size - BUT - he is still biologically and legally a male. Can he then go about on a beach, or anywhere else in public, with his chest uncovered wearing only a bikini bottom, claiming, as a defense, that he is a male?

(A 1) Probably not - as he will be charged with disorderly conduct, disturbing the peace, failure to obey a lawful order of a police officer, (maybe even unlawful assembly - him and two very unlikely breasts - that may even constitute conspiracy - ) or some other cooked-up charge (littering? loitering? lurking?) unrelated to the actual exposure of his breasts which some local cop can use to remove his presence from that public place.

(Q 2) A female has radical bilateral breast removal surgery as a result of a medical condition. Her chest is reduced to essentially nothing resembling a normal female chest and she is now without breasts at all, the tissue having been the substance of the breasts now removed. She is still, however, biologically and legally a female. Can she then, if she chooses to, go about in public without a shirt and use in her defense the fact that she has no breasts, or even nipples, to cover?

(A 2) See (A 1)

You want a definition of buttocks? Try this:

"The area at the rear of the human body (sometimes referred to as the gluteus maximus) which lies between two imaginary straight lines running parallel to the ground when a person is standing, the first or top such line being a half-inch below the top of the vertical cleavage of the nates (i.e., the prominence formed by the muscles running from the back of the hip to the back of the leg) and the second or bottom such line being a half-inch above the lowest point of the curvature of the fleshy protuberance (sometimes referred to as the gluteal fold), and between two imaginary straight lines, one on each side of the body (the 'outside lines'), which outside lines are perpendicular to the ground and to the horizontal lines described above, and which perpendicular outside lines pass through the outermost point(s) at which each nate meets the outer side of each leg. Notwithstanding the above, buttocks shall not include the leg, the hamstring muscle below the gluteal fold, the tensor fasciae latae muscles, or any of the above described portion of the human body that is between either (i) the left inside perpendicular line and the left outside perpendicular line or (ii) the right inside perpendicular line and the right outside perpendicular line. For the purpose of the previous sentence, the left inside perpendicular line shall be an imaginary straight line on the left side of the anus (i) that is perpendicular to the ground and to the horizontal lines described above and (ii) that is one third of the distance from the anus to the left outside line. (The above description can generally be described as covering one third of the buttocks centered over the cleavage for the length of the cleavage.)"

Soooo, if the pubic region is defined as the area where pubic hair grows (which is most of the body) what would we be covering in this case?

Watching the linguistic contortions of US local officials trying to write laws to outlaw anything that smacks of bare skin got me to wondering. I have even asked here, and elsewhere, just where that, so called, boiler plate language has come from citing, among other things, the prohibition on exposure of the buttocks, the pubic hair and the "pubic hair region" - noting whenever I use that phrase I add the comment, "...whatever that means...".

In the case of buttocks - well, the same questions seems to become apparent if you consult Grey's Anatomy - the standard anatomy text of the medical profession. In Grey's there is note of the muscles underlying the buttocks but also a note to the effect that there are NO defining landmarks on the body surface except the crease at the base of the buttocks where the skin rejoins the back of the thigh turning downward in line with the leg proper. I believe the exact phrase used in Grey's is that "no landmarks are needed" - because the muscles are deep inside the overlying fat layer and can not be seen or felt.

From the simple wording of the simple minded lawmakers, we are left with a puzzle of just where the buttocks start and end. Where, at the side, for instance, should the covering begin?; where is the top of the buttocks?

If as reputable a source on the topic as Grey's can not definitely set out the landmarks on the body's surface and thus the limits to which the law applies - how are we, as total laypersons, to determine if we are in compliance with the law - and how is a police officer or a judge to make a case against us???

One can not help but think that it would be an interesting exercise to invite the police to arrest 1, or 100, or 1000 (F) textile citizens for violating the anti-nude ordinance while wearing t-back's or thongs on a public beach, or even the most conservative one piece swimsuit but with the underarm area exposed and any (M) without a shirt on.

If they won't arrest them they shouldn't be arresting us!

Bill is always interested in any comments you might have about his articles. Feel free to contact him by e-mail at biology_bill@hotmail.com.

Uncovered Opinions

by Dave Bitters

Giving It A Rest

You may or may not have noticed. I haven't contributed a column to the Lake Edun newsletter for about 6 months.

Call it burnout, if you will. After more that a decade of Naturist activism and advocacy, I found myself running out of ideas. Some people might have found my columns repetitive and sometimes strident anyway. But I sensed that I'd reached a point where I had nothing new to say. So it seemed a good time to take a break, to gain some perspective on the subject of Naturism and our culture and to re-charge my battery, so to speak.

Well, that's not the whole story. Part of it has to do with the social stigma about appearing in public places without clothes.

I learned last September how easy it is for a judge to misinterpret (or reinterpret) laws dealing with sexual conduct to fit his preconceived notions about the propriety of public nudity. I served as a witness (though I hesitate to say "expert") at the trial of a Heartland Naturist who had been improperly arrested for hiking naked in a remote area of a Johnson County park. The young assistant prosecutor grilled me mercilessly about "Why aren't you naked right now?" and "Why don't you walk naked in Olathe?" I saw this questioning as irrelevant and hoped the defense attorney would object. But he didn't.

The real issue in the trial wasn't about nakedness; the defendant quite matter-of-factly admitted that he'd been nude. Rather it was whether nude equals lewd. According to the judge's finding, in Johnson County it does - even though the language of the state law pretty clearly states otherwise. This certainly caused me to lower my opinion of the judicial system a few notches. Forget what you see on "Law and Order," "Judge Judy" and the rest. I just shook my head in disgust.

Interestingly, Olathe saw fit to ban public nudity in October and Shawnee enacted a similar ban in December. A short news article accompanying the latter ban reported, in part, "Shawnee police sought the ordinance, which bans public nudity, to close a legal loophole, Sgt. Rob Moser said. State law regulates public nudity when accompanied by 'lewd and lascivious' behavior but doesn't address simply being naked in public." Whether these ordinances "close a legal loophole" or go against the intent of the legislature isn't clear. But the judge's finding in the September trial raises an interesting question concerning the police sergeant's statement: If nude really is lewd in Johnson County (per the legal precedent), why did Shawnee find this ordinance necessary?

My lesson about the social stigma of public nudity continued in November a reporter from the Kansas City Star called me about a letter to the editor I'd sent to the Johnson County Sun.

The letter concerned a public policy decision. The Johnson County Park Board was going to ask the County Commission for about $200 million over a 20 year period to purchase additional lands for parks and recreation. They mentioned providing facilities for such things as "extreme sports" - rock-climbing, skateboarding, etc. Why not a place for Naturists, too? I asked aloud in my letter to the editor. Public nudity doesn't play well in stuffy Johnson County, of course, but it seemed a good opportunity to raise the issue. In a fundamental sense, the County Commission would have had difficulty excluding Naturists as a special interest group meriting tax dollars while providing resources for other special interest groups.

When the columnist's article hit the newspapers in mid-November, my wife (a non-naturist who tries to keep a long arm's length from my "kinky" pastime) went ballistic. There followed several fruitless sessions with a counselor who, in truth, did his best to discover a middle ground and facilitate some real dialogue on the subject. But my wife and I have just agreed to disagree on the subject of Naturism. Since the non-Naturist worldview currently trumps the Naturist one, I decided that it would be better to take a low profile for awhile. This meant, of course, that I had to pass on pursuing a publicly-funded park for Naturists. I really didn't see how I could be a very effective advocate for an idea many Johnson Countians would find radical without support from the home front.

Whether public support for nude recreation really is radical or not is a matter of opinion, of course. If you've ever been to a large, well-managed public nude beach you might wonder what the fuss is all about. But the problem is that few Midwesterners have visited large, well-managed public nude beaches. Our slavish adherence to majoritarian principles regarding the direction of cultural change ensures that the voices of those of us who have will not be heard very loudly. Thus, the body politic effectively prevents those who might like to find out what nude beaches are really like from doing so. So much for cultural diversity and opportunity.

The other part of the story has to do with my changing interests. In January, I discovered the (sometimes expensive) joys of e-Bay. One of my other pastimes is ham radio operating. I was inactive as a ham operator during most of the 1990s (while involved with Naturist activism). But e-Bay provided a treasure-chest of opportunities to acquire "classic" short-wave radios and ham transmitters of the 1950s and 1960s and I've taken advantage of some.

Vacuum tube rigs of the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s are true anachronisms. Heavy and cranky, they work by no means as well as their modern counterparts. Moreover, they have lethal voltages that certainly focus one's attention. But they have a certain elegance of design that puts them in a class with steam locomotives and propeller airplanes. I've put several of them on the air and am working on restoring several others. With a limited amount of free time, I found I couldn't write about and do research on Naturist issues and play with the old radio gear. The radios gave me an excuse to take a breather from Naturist activism.

What's the link here? I think there are several, potentially. Before my e-Bay period, I acquired a substantial library of "classic" books on nudism and Naturism. Some of them are quite rare. Without access to the Internet there'd have been no way I could have found them all. I've read most of them and eventually will use them as the basis for commentary on the history and philosophy of Naturism. Likewise, I'd never have known about the old radios without the Internet. One of the real benefits of the Internet is to facilitate a link with the past. Philosopher George Santayana famously reminded us that "Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it." Maybe, but without some links to the past we may lack a basis for comparing our own times with the past. Anyone who wonders how we got to our current state of convoluted attitudes toward public nudity needs to be able to trace the links back, to understand the events and decisions that led to our current state of cultural evolution. And anyone who feels inclined to speak out on Naturist issues with authority needs to be familiar with the ideas (pro and con) of past generations on the subject. The Internet may have been a flop as a medium of commerce in the goods of today. But it clearly can bring us closer to our past.

On a more trivial level, several surveys have revealed that engineers, scientists and computer programmers tend to have disproportionately high representation among Naturists. This may be because scientific types, by virtue of their training, tend to view the world a bit differently than others. They tend to look for natural, rational or logical explanations for things rather than relying on dogma or tradition. When they ask Why? and can't find an answer, the question may get inverted to Why not?

My own training was in mathematics, physics and later in engineering. Along the way I once did an intensive study of the relationship between symmetry and ambiguity. This has had a strong influence on my thinking. I like to understand how things work. Conversely, when things aren't working I like to understand why not. Nor am I satisfied with excuses, rationalization or partial explanations. I'm quite at home with asking Why? and Why not? and a bit impatient when I don't get a straight answer.

When the prosecutor grilled me on "Why aren't you naked right now" I couldn't come up with a ready answer other than "The judge probably wouldn't like this." The answer I should have given was "Because I don't want to be hassled by a pushy and insensitive prosecutor like you." But the real answer was that there isn't any answer. In a society that values personal privacy and individual autonomy the choice of an individual to wear clothes or not is of no concern to others. If I were to dance naked in the street (as did the man and woman who prompted the Shawnee ordinance) others might see me as quirky or sportive, but that would be my choice. If somebody got bothered about it (as the Shawnee sergeant did), this would be their problem and a reason for them to seek therapy. If my nudity had threatening intent (such as an overt sexual gesture) then I should seek therapy for my problem, or answer a charge of lewd and lascivious behavior.

This is the way engineers and scientists think about things. They appreciate efficiency, elegance of design and logical explanations. It's not the way judges and politicians think.

Bring on the engineers.

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